“A Corrupt Religion”

Sidney Rigdon, First Counselor in the First Presidency, June 1835:That part of the work of the Holy spirit in the salvation of men, which consists in giving them vision, forms one of the most important parts (of the Spirit’s work) in the salvation of men, and it is one that was always performed by the Spirit, as far as we have any account of the people of God in his revelations. There is no society of which we have an account in the revelations of God, that he acknowledged as his own, except they had visions among them, and that as long as they continued to walk according to the directions of the Holy Spirit: indeed it was essential to their character as saints; it would be a marvelous thing to find a body of saints on earth and yet there would be no visions among them; we will venture to assert that such a thing was never seen since the world began. We readily admit that a corrupt religion can exist, and false prophecies exist, and sectarian dogmas abound; men-made worshipers increase, and the world abound in a religion that the Lord was not the author of, and yet no visions be among them; but wherever the truth of heaven abounds, there will visions abound also; for it is a part of heaven’s scheme to save men, and without it, we are not authorized to say there is salvation; for all the people who were saved of whom we have an account, were of the number who saw visions; and such was the importance which the sacred writers attached to the seeing of visions, that Solomon says, in Proverbs, chap. 29: ver. 18, that where no vision is, the people perish. But in direct opposition to this, the people of this generation say, that where no vision is, there truth reigns and prevails; and where vision is there error and delusion abounds; but whether we should believe God or man, judge ye.” (“Faith of the Church,” Latter Day Saints’ Messenger and Advocate, vol. 1, no. 9, edited by John Whitmer [Kirtland, Geauga Co., Ohio: Published by F. G. Williams & Co., June 1835], p. 133; proof of authorship can be found on pp. 25–26 of the same publication.)

Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, 1958:Through supernatural means, by the power of the Holy Ghost, devout persons are permitted to have visions and to see within the veil. They are enabled to see spiritual personages and to view scenes hidden from ordinary sight. These visions are gifts of the Spirit. (Seventh Article of Faith.) They come by faith and vanish away when faith dies out. (1 Sam. 3:1; Isa. 29:9-14.) Thus they stand as an evidence of the divinity of the Lord’s work in any age. If the Lord is giving visions and revelation to a people, such group constitutes the people of God. If visions and revelations are not being received by any church or people, then that group is not the Lord’s people. By this test the identity of the true Church is known. (Moro. 7:30-38.) … Visions serve the Lord’s purposes in preparing men for salvation. By them knowledge is revealed (2 Ne. 4:23), conversions are made (Alma 19: 16), the gospel message is spread abroad, the church organization is perfected (D. & C. 107:93), and righteousness is increased in the hearts of men. And visions are to increase and abound in the last days, for the Lord has promised to pour out his ‘spirit upon all flesh,’ so that ‘old men shall dream dreams,’ and ‘young men shall see visions.’ (Joel 2:28-32.)” (Mormon Doctrine [Salt Lake City, Utah: Bookcraft, Inc., 1958], pp. 745, 747.)

Orson Pratt of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, 15 Dec. 1856:It has seemed good unto the Almighty to reveal to His people, in all ages, many glorious and important principles, through different gifts. Sometimes these revelations are given … through heavenly visions and dreams. … The Christians of the first century were continually led by dreams and visions. By revelations given in this manner, they were forewarned of many dangers; they escaped many calamities; and their lives were often very miraculously preserved. The great revelation given to John on the isle of Patmos was manifested to him by a vision. … Having, in this chapter, treated upon several of the most prominent Spiritual Gifts, the reader will be able to clearly discover the vast difference between the religion of heaven, as revealed in the Bible, and the false religions of the nineteenth century. … Where can you find the man of God who, by the power of the Holy Ghost, can see visions or dream dreams, or interpret the same by inspiration? … Modern Christianity answers, NOWHERE. … All are as dead in regard to the promised Spiritual Gifts, as the putrid carcases, mouldering in their cemeteries.” (“The Gift of Visions and Dreams,” Spiritual Gifts [Liverpool: 15 Dec. 1856], pp. 76–77, 80; paragraphing omitted.)

Gordon B. Hinckley, President of the Church, Dec. 1996:Revelation no longer comes by vision, but in the ‘still, small voice,’ like that heard by Elijah.” (In Larry Witham, “Mormon growth now is global: ‘We don’t wobble,’ church leader says,” The Washington Times [Washington, D.C.: News World Communications, 3 Dec. 1996], p. A8.)

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10 Responses to “A Corrupt Religion”

  1. MC says:

    GBH sums it up nicely. A real honest answer, albeit a sad one. I wish members would wake up.

  2. AV says:

    I find it interesting that in discussing apostasy, you post & value quotes from the men above who were deceived to believe that Joseph Smith practiced & preached polygamy.

  3. Marc says:

    Are the three above the only ones that mention the need for revelation by way of visions etc? I agree with what you mean by “who were deceived to believe that Joseph Smith practiced & preached polygamy.” I am absolutely convinced that Brother Joseph NEVER practiced this foul deed known as Polygamy. The BOM refers to it as Abomination. So…how can it be abomination for some and a holy sweet practice for others? Also…Heavenly Father is FAIR. (Couldn’t be God otherwise!) And the practice of polygamy…is NOT FAIR to God’s daughters! How can my wife and I be “ONE”…when I have 14 more…just down the road? This PH issue also shows (if correct) that God is a “changing God.” If the early leaders say one thing and the latter leaders claim it to be wrong…what just happened to your foundation? Looks like we all better spend more time calling on our Heavenly Father for personal revelation and spend less time “trusting in the arm of flesh!” Especially since we’re told that the prophets will become drunk…AND…not to mention that great scripture about them going back to their vomit like dogs. Say what you want…but proper research…prayer and fasting have PROVEN to me that…like ET Benson said in his BYU speech (Dec 1963) the “fort”…has been captured. Satan just hasn’t lowered the flag. So…”is all well?”

    • AV says:


      The Adversary can easily deceive everyone to think they are doing right when they are doing wrong. He can get people to think they are righteous and feeling love, peace and happiness while they are committing the vilest of evils, like polygamy. Just look at how many prophets throughout the ages have been deceived to fall for false revelation or even evils like polygamy. Polygamy has never been right in the whole history of the world. Everyone from Adam’s day on up to today has had to obey the same exact laws of Christ in order to be righteous, yet few have been willing to.

      That is how we can tell that even the LDS Church is led by false prophets and always has been, for they do not follow Christ, nor do they have Charity, which Christ said is the proof of his disciples and those who truly follow his teachings.

      I do not believe a true Church is on the earth at this time or since Christ’s day when he came to deliver his Gospel to the world, to have til he comes again and sees who really lived his teachings. There was not need for a ‘restoration’ for nothing was lost. The Gospel of Jesus Christ has remained available for all to study, in fact, as the years go on the more the teachings of Christ are published for the world, far more then was available for people even in Christ’s day. And true Priesthood comes naturally to men and women who live righteously and gain Charity. No truly righteous person needs to be given anything more in order to bless, heal, raise people from the dead, receive revelation or lead people to follow Christ.

      I’m sure there are a few righteous people on earth who truly follow Christ and maybe even a few prophets around somewhere, but Christ will one day return and establish his Church in Zion with the few righteous that he can find. He always said ‘few there be that find it’. It seems near impossible to find one of those few people unfortunately.

  4. jr says:

    We are told the members would not be led astray, but yet we are. What is it going to take for a shake up in SLC? I guess we are going to have to wait for Chrits to come ,which could be hundreds of years away.
    I wish something drastic would happen. I am tired of the church accommodating Babylon.

    • AV says:

      False prophets usually claim that they can’t or won’t lead the people astray, that’s how they get the people to blindly obey them. Nothing new here, such has been taught by false prophets in many other religions, not just the LDS Church. And false prophets lie, so of course the LDS have been led astray.

      I do not believe LDS leaders will ever wake up, as a whole and repent. I believe they are like King Noah and his priests, not willing to give up the power & perks of unrighteous living. There might be an Alma among them that might awake, but not the main body, for the leaders and most members seem to have no interest in repenting and truly following Christ, it just is too hard and would require too much sacrifice.

      The most members can do is awake and stop supporting them and their evils and their false church and false doctrines and separate like Alma had to do, and just follow Christ on their own until he returns again and establishes Zion.

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